2004-12-03 [Southern Affliction]: I'm not really here to prove any religon wrong if thats what you're intrested in. But if thats what you want... then you begin.

2004-12-03 [Rizzen]: I never said you were. I'm mainly interested in why you don't believe in any religion

2004-12-06 [Southern Affliction]: I have never had a reason to believe. I have done fine without it. I want to lead my life my way... not the way of a church.

2004-12-07 [Rizzen]: ah, but many church's let you live you'r own life. Taking God's laws into effect is really just like obeying the government's laws, with the addtion of a few morals. As for the reason... I can't argue that. If one doesn't see a reason, one doesn't see a reason. Me, I'll pray you see a reason

2004-12-07 [Southern Affliction]: My life is fine without religon anyways. I've seen believers that are worst off than myself. But I have not seen any divine intervention...no miracles. Nothing to back up the belief of any god.

2004-12-07 [Rizzen]: ah. See, I have seen too many miracles, and horrors, to ignore. I have felt the presence of angels and daemons, and seen the effects of their presence. My uncle was once diagnosed with cancer which had progressed to the point where the doctors were saying he had mabey three more days. Three years later he's skydiving, completely cancer free. A couple of months ago my grandmother had a heart attack on a wednesday, on friday she walked to the hospital. The doctors then found out she had lost fully half her heart. She walked to the hopsital after lossing half her heart. God has watched my family, and protected us. You speak of believers wors off than you. They believe so

2004-12-07 [Rizzen]: hard because they have nothing. They litterally have nothing other than their faith. It is because of God they can continue on.

2004-12-07 [Southern Affliction]: It gives people something to believe. I respect that. It helps people through troubles. All I rely on is myself and what friends I got.

2004-12-08 [Rizzen]: I can respect that. If one has no reason, then one has no reason so I won't press the matter

2004-12-08 [Southern Affliction]: Thank you. So now you understand why I don't believe right?

2004-12-08 [Rizzen]: understand, no. But I will respect it. The seed has been planted, it is up to God and you to decide whether or not it will grow

2004-12-08 [Southern Affliction]: It is up to how I plan to feed it. It grows how I want it. Wether I plan to feed it or let it die is up to me.

2004-12-08 [Rizzen]: possibly. But in my experiance, the person may have the majority of control, but God is still speaking

2004-12-08 [Southern Affliction]: Well I gladly admit... I am in control of my own life. I have never had an outside influence help me through the hard times. All I rely on is myself, alcohol, and pain.

2004-12-08 [Rizzen]: God works in mysterious ways, good aquaintance. Most often we don't know he's doing anything at all

2004-12-08 [Southern Affliction]: It's a good excuse for when things aren't really there when people expect it to be.

2004-12-08 [Rizzen]: you mean when people refuse to accept a "no" to their prayers? Everything God does is for the best. For instance, there was a time when I'd attack a wiki like this, but now I see it as an oportunity to share my faith

2004-12-08 [Southern Affliction]: Well I appreciate you just sharing becuase I find it hard for me not to attack people who try to debate against me. There were others who tried to make me feel like shit cause of my beliefs. FUCK THEM!!

2004-12-08 [Rizzen]: does that mean you'r going to attack me. I'm debating against you

2004-12-09 [Southern Affliction]: You are sharing an open conversation of opinions. They would stop at nothing to prove me wrong. Thats the difference.

2004-12-10 [Rizzen]: ah. But, doesn't the fact that I'm debating say I believe you'r wrong and I'm trying to prove it?